Cosmic Disclosure: Validating the History of the Secret Space Programs (August 2016)
Bob Wood’s extensive career as an aeronautical engineer has given him the years of experience necessary to be able to discern credible information from the disinformation being spread concerning UFOs and extraterrestrial technology. This has placed him in the unique position to be able to confirm the testimony of William Tompkins and other whistleblowers from within the Secret Space Programs. His investigations have traced the origin of the Secret Space Programs, from the early days with German scientists to TRW and eventually the Rand Corporation. All of their secrets hidden within layers of compartmentalization.
This interview with David Wilcock and Corey Goode was originally webcast August 30, 2016.
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Season 5, Episode 17
And just the correlation between Corey Goode and William Tompkins alone is something that could potentially start a wildfire all over the planet in terms of Full Disclosure and understanding that the things that we’re going to be talking about in this episode are absolutely true as far out in sci-fi as they may seem to the uninitiated.
So Corey, welcome back to the program.
Corey Goode: Thank you.
David: And Dr. Bob, it’s good to see you again.
Dr. Bob Wood: Yes, thank you.
David: So let’s just go back really briefly, and I want to bring up J. Allen Hynek.
Now, here’s the guy who actually coined the term “swamp gas” as a part of the Project Blue Book.
Now, what you may not know, or maybe you do, is that I’ve been working with Jim Hart, who wrote the movie “Contact”, coauthored the screenplay. It was eight years of development total in that project, and he was working with Carl Sagan. And as a result of these high-level contacts, he had exposure to J. Allen Hynek.
David: And what a lot of people don’t know is that J. Allen Hynek realized that he had been duped by the U.S. government, and that he turned around.
Do you find that these people who are specializing in disinformation eventually do come around after they do more homework? Do they realize that they’ve been lied to, that they were used as pawns in this greater chess game?
Bob: Well, J. Allen Hynek actually swam in my swimming pool during that time, . . .
Bob: . .. between ’68 and ’70 when I was doing this research.
David: No kidding.
Bob: And so I knew both J. Allen Hynek and Jim McDonald, even though they didn’t really talk to each other very much, very often.
Bob: The first involvement I had with people who were disinformation guys was Bill Moore. And Bill Moore, as many people know, was given some information that was apparently controlled, and he leaked it knowing that it was not correct.
And I wound up buying all of his material from him. Actually, I made him an offer. I said, how much do you want to sell everything you got? And he said, “$1,000”. And so I said, “Okay”.
Bob: I wrote the check and went down to his place in Hollywood and got it from him. I said, “Is this all?” And he said, “Yes.”
Well, I cataloged it. And it turns out there was nothing really revolutionary in anything that I got from him.
Other people say that the documents that I have have been craftily architected in order to – by a group of CIA guys, for example, who you could imagine a room full of 20 people who are all experts in creating false documents.
So that scenario is hard to wave off, but there are so many little subtleties in the documents – the stamps, the timing – that, in my judgment, the vast majority of the documents that I have are really authentic.
And so I’m willing to accept there’s an occasional one that might have been partly phony. And that happens.
David: Well, and Bob, isn’t it true that these are exactly the types of proofs that the hardcore scientific types are asking for? And you have that. You have documents that have been verified.
Bob: That’s right.
David: We know when they were done, and we know what they say.
Bob: That’s right. The skeptics, however, come back with the usual response that, “Well, you can’t really do much with copies. You got to have the originals.”
So I say, “Well, I have originals. Two cases, I have originals. Let’s look at only those, and then go through one of these originals which deals very deeply with the assassination of JFK and the relationship to UFOs.”
And then they really don’t have responses to that. But, I mean, the authenticity issues then become harder for the skeptics to do that.
David: Bob, you dropped the bomb. You cannot race over that. What did it say about JFK and UFOs? What does the document say?
Bob: It’s an eight-page document, and it had tabs. Actually, there were eight tabs. And each tab was designed to deal with a different aspect of the secrecy problem.
It was written through MJ1 through MJ12.
Bob: Yeah, it was a Majestic. In effect, it said, if, in fact, it becomes clear that he’s really going to leak everything, then he ought to be taken out.
Bob: It’s different words.
David: Everything about the UFO cover-up.
Bob: They didn’t mention his name . . .
Bob: . . . but they used the Secret Service
Corey: Oh, yeah, they used to have code names for him.
Bob: Yeah. Yeah.
Corey: Were you involved in authenticating the MJ12 documents?
Bob: Yes, nearly all the documents that I had were MJ12 or Majestic or Magic.
Corey: Okay, so when the people received it, you were one of the people that looked at the documents to . . .
Bob: All the documents I had were leaked from various sources. There are three or four different sources.
David: Now, when you say ‘leaked’, this doesn’t mean that people filed a Freedom of Information Act request . . .
Bob: No, no.
David: . . . and they got it legally through the government.
Bob: There was one . . .
David: Those were squirreled away.
Bob: . . . one document that then Cooper got legally that says “MJ12” at the bottom.
Corey: Oh, really?
David: But the others were pulled out?
Bob: The others were just given by . . . you can speculate exactly how, but I . . . There’s one case . . . One guy showed up to Tim Cooper’s door and gave him a box full of stuff. And it was clear that he was cleaning out his files just to get rid of them. Ha, ha, ha.
David: Ha, ha, ha.
Bob: And another document, which was an encyclopedia of flying saucers written by Charles Bowen, was a document that had been created as a history of the subject as of 1950s, I think, something like that, and was sent to the Air Force to make sure there was nothing in there that was classified.
In 1994, it was mailed to Timothy Cooper from Fort Meade.
Bob: And actually it was original, and it was stamped “Top Secret”. But it had on it notations like “what is DM doing?” Where they were saying “Don Menzo was telling his classes that there were aliens.”
Bob: So this is the kind of wide set of experiences I’ve had in authenticating documents, and all of them can be attacked by skeptics. That never ends. There’s no way you can ever get rid of it completely.
Even the latest thing that I thought has real potential is forensic linguistics, where you can take a large number of words that a person has written and then compare it, . . . say, make up two or three different people and then compare the question documents’ words against those.
And then, depending on the phraseology and the use of verbs, commas, and stuff like that, you could say the probability that this person wrote it is much higher than that one or the other one.
Corey: And you can tell what era they wrote it in by the phrasing and everything.
Bob: Yeah. Yeah. So that’s one technique I used just once.
David: Well, Bob, let me ask you this. Documents and validation, obviously, would represent one of the two critical aspects of investigative UFOlogy. I mean, maybe there’s three. Okay?
So you have your documents. You have eyewitness sightings. You know, is there a pilot’s report? Is there a ground sighting that correlates with the pilot’s report? Are there landing tracings?
Let’s just talk about that briefly. Did you go through your due diligence on some of these documents in terms of trying to find out if there were . . . Were any of them involving sightings that you could then validate that the sightings happened? Or did you study people that had sightings and try to correlate pilot sightings, ground-based sightings, landing traces, that kind of stuff?
Bob: That’s a good question because it makes me think about the fact that most of the documents I’m trying to authenticate don’t deal with sightings at all.
David: Oh, okay.
Bob: They really deal with the covert programs.
Bob: But the fact that I became involved after I retired and did this movie “The Secret” and continued to give papers, my son started a crash retrieval series, and he did seven years’ worth of crash retrievals in October. It had a wide audience.
And so for these crash retrieval meetings, I wound up giving a paper each time on something or other and established myself as a person who was willing to dig as deep as necessary to understand the subject, one of which, of course, was the alien viruses.
One was Stringfield. What does Stringfield really say? What was he trying to say?
And so I established myself as a person of some integrity, I think. And that’s why Bill Tompkins called me up.
David: Oh, okay…
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